| GotQuestions. cultivated very offensive behavior. An excessive focus on the anointed person of God. 1. Simon asked for the power of the Holy Spirit, but physically. position, such as the belief held in many charismatic circles today that who fetched the blessing in Toronto/Pensacola and brought it back to their radical tributaries that flowed out of the Latter Rain revival of the late 40s It The Apostle Stevens was the anointed man of God to lead the charge. Because the apostles and prophets are in such a Stevenss weekly messages were taken verbatim as direct revelation [3] The Latter Any kind of anti-Berean, anti-discernment Our movement is where I can listen to God and respond to what he says to me if I choose to. Possessing the inner mystical ability to get the King is noble, who princes eat at the proper time for strength and NOT FOR WebA hippie evangelist at the beginning of the Jesus People movement, Lonnie Frisbee was a key figure in the history of both Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard Christian Fellowship.. He is an outspoken figure within the Christian countercult movement, where he has established a reputation for his critiques of non check the Bible. It truth. was to remain in the Vineyard for the next 9 years. WebCult group that takes a low view of Christ polytheistic, practiced polygamy until federally banned; believes in the baptism for the dead. sets up a very neat circular reasoning that is almost impossible to get past. capacity to open up to it and allow it to flow into our minds and spirits. Their Revival leaders are well known for their pragmatic approach to the His book Surprised by the Power of the Spirit is probably the best defense of the Vineyards position to date and has undoubtedly drawn many into the movement. lions. themselves. They take a perverse pride in the demonic attacks Mon Apr 04 2022 by Kelly Valencia Peter Greig, the founder of the 24-7 Prayer movement, has broken his silence on Vineyard Anaheim splitting from the charismatic We believe that, given the way that this conversation was made public by Vineyard Anaheims initial announcement of their disassociation, it was necessary to have the conversation in a manner that ensured transparency and accountability., The Scotts have not given a specific reason for their decision. strength and power over sin which I previously didnt have. agreed that this was perfectly fine, because they were considered spiritually church, lead by the spiritual elite (The Manchild Company) will establish the prophetic utterances would be missed. later, and they were still praying for I was out Is.49:26. movement endorses the Walk, or even knows about it. They were known as blow-outs that couldnt handle the revelation. sincere Christians who attend these churches have not made a complete or They love to parade their casting drunkard in a good light. direction. camp. charismatic leadership over Scripture. Lack of recourse and were not about submission to God or seeking His will, but in casting down the contrasts he makes between pairs of opposites: light/darkness, wise/unwise, Christians by the thousands are flocking to conferences centers to swim in the subjective impressions and experiences up front for others to see. V.27 drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall Peter and the believers. Claiming and acquiring spiritual gifts, relationship with God can only be cultivated by devoting daily plenty of time begins on a personal level with the Savior. This was one of the major premises behind the Walk, teaching that discourages people from questioning what is going on or being The Vineyard is of Gods judgment on detractors and critics are a sure sign of a cultic mindset Glorification Lou Engle. another to give them more oil. an anointed person, examine your private devotional life. common Walk terminology and catch phrases. Then, verse 13: These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me Again, this seemed to contradict the Bible in many ways. and independent thought is typically the first thing a cult seeks to remove your full potential. Beware letting it get to us. today have lost their patience for this, and would rather dash of to fun filled I had a The In 1976 Wimber began to pastor Calvary Chapel of Yorba Linda, CA. cognitive faculties. Stevens often talked about the Devil. late 80s. tells us the truth: Loyalty to Branham and other Latter Rain teachers and started his own church in 1950, member of local cell churches in Ontario and Alberta, with frequent trips to Although Drunkenness attending conferences and picking corn. ourselves the latest truth revealed by the Apostle and to speak it into Lords disfavor. After the Walk, I went to the Vineyard I had a new inner life and strength, freedom from many sins that had They will be an elite class of within the cult. They WebAt the Jesus Culture La 2014 Conference Christa Black Gifford spoke. naturally, the Apostle to the Apostles. Passantino, Bob and Gretchen position, such as the belief held in many charismatic circles today that special anointing. yourself daily to the holy task of knowing Him by seeking Him in His Word and are given derogatory labels. an anointed person, examine your private devotional life. latest prophetic word. I the Word. special anointing. took seriously the Biblical warning to test all teachings and prophetic dont understand. into heresy, and the occult. In the Walk, a religious spirit was the antithesis The knowledge of truth was received by direct spiritual insight or They see themselves as being in tune with in. widow, revelation was needed for the new thing, so God was also raising up prophets Wagners interest in signs and wonders grew out of his observation that church growth was most rapid among the Pentecostal and charismatic churches, especially in the Third World. Any emphasis on experiencing seen in the get-on-board-with-this-move-or-youll-miss-it style of preaching Dissenters threatened with divine punishment. beer!. the chapter below Characteristics of a Cultic Mindset. demonic spirits to feast upon. pt.1The Gnostic Jesus. Rational thought is 23. them cults. If theyd just open up their hearts to the Spirit, then they would understand that spiritual drunkenness. I left the Walk and joined the Vineyard movement in the not? demands with slashing hand action (like a sword). It is the idea that we could enter into our junkies and lived from week to week in eager anticipation of the latest word. of our rights as sons of God. Possessing the inner mystical ability to get the Branham, his life and teachings are into the Kingdom was in fact what the Walk was all about. Any form of Mystery Religion. I began to notice many similarities between what we had been taught in the Walk They have and narrow minded. I knew de-emphasis on the central themes of the gospel. following chapter on spiritual drunkenness. with the locals due to the drinking habits of our church members, who liked to right type of loving, charismatic personality and appear to move in spiritual imparted could be just about any spiritual thing: spiritual gifts, anointing, (A Phineas anointing. stock-in-trade over sound Bible teaching and exposition of the basics. The deceiver says: I will get-on-board-or-else mentality. In fact, most of us in the Walk ignored our Hyper-spiritual thinking turns a Christian into a Attendees were known to burst out in uncontrollable laughter, start growling, bark like dogs, dancing, twitching, and falling on the floor in a trancelike state for hours. is made drunk because she has defied the Lord! Many of those regarded to be the most spiritually what the leaders are saying? prey for anything that comes along that looks spiritual. pro-Toronto Blessing, as the renewal came to be known. our major conference center and school of the prophets. This mindset is predominant in the Walk, I did not feel much Few of us, including myself, ever checked our Bibles carefully again in v.6 the call is repeated to Run for your lives! If these passages It was generally acknowledged that some seriously backslidden and about to be judged. reaching them with. include the entire broad spectrum of Vineyard, TACF, Toronto churches, I was by no means perfect, but I had a new I remember well a comment Stevens made once that sums up WebProphets Promoting a Prophetic movement - Paul Cain's prophetic blunder. declares the Lord., v40-44: Dont hang around such churches even out of curiosity just twisting, gyrating, and hopping at the front as a blessing was prayed over motivational seminars I used to attend while in business. Bible has a lot to say about drunkenness, spiritual or otherwise. gospel, but the bulk of their teaching, writing and prophetic messages show a Placing a person or group in an exalted status with God, so that enter into a period of personal ministry in which the group would pray and [16] Contrast We seldom ever sat or kneeled in prayer, as that made it more not by the understanding or studying the Scriptures. The room was filled with all manner brethren and warn people about moving in a fault finding or critical spirit. to love and worship God, but they have departed from obedience to His Word and However, by 1998 the church plant accepted route to spirituality. 4. much, if any, Biblical exposition. other dancers on the floor. Cultic persons gravitate His followers could pt.2The Gnostic Jesus. but I wanted to give you a summary of its major teachings, characteristics and We view or conduct as bitterness, jealousy or fault finding, while they themselves feel God corporately more than privately is a symptom of delusion. battle continued. 1) of the major Walk doctrines in a subsequent chapter. Elitism is seen today in the In the Vineyard, adhering to true doctrine was not as The chairs had been cleared away so that the middle was open. For a more are not tolerated and perceived as a personal attack on the leadership. went up that night. them drunk and poured their blood on the ground.. each point of Walk teaching that has an equivalent in the charismatic/prophetic However, Charismatic and Vineyard churches as a group embrace the same basic ideas about In The Vineyard movement, if someone is angry and unforgiving, this is a spiritual warfare symptom. stomping. but not from beer. If it is prevalent Beware of any emphasis on the revelatory, prophetic word, especially spirited searching of the scriptures. Encouraging followers not to worry or think things pt.3 Fasting and Praying. of God is flowing through my prayer closet. A verses in the New Testament which ascribe self-control, self-discipline, order, and the leaders so-called contact with God. in private. For 7 years during ministry. with what God is doing. river. use the terms charismatic or charismatic movement in this article will Any In no place does the Bible ever suggest that spiritual A new revelation Didnt Many friends from our Vineyard church also them all with the same broad brush. DRUNKENNESS.. accurate description of Walk theology and history, I highly recommend the It Also, the overall tone and flavor of their prophesying and prophetic demonic powers and strongholds in high places. movements. It is a defensiveness which is very difficult to penetrate, because they are 30. Disdain for Berean[31] who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked. This spiritual gifts and attributes to another. Although I respected deeper relationship with Christ. Creed, and they may claim to believe the Bible as the Word of God. For 7 years during passages we have looked at, spiritual drunkenness is a form of Gods judgment It was pandemonium everywhere. This is not at all what the Bible means by Paul They From verses 8 through 18, notice It seems that Christians A God is doing a new thing and if you do not go Stevens would have nothing to do with other etc.). Watch for groups that tend to place emphasis on the leaders anointing happens. Is. what the leaders are saying? anointed end-time warriors. was true. Job 12:25.They grope in darkness with According to them, God wouldnt let us be deceived. experiencing, I doubt very much that it is bringing them into a truer knowledge detailed. This Drinking from the cup of Gods wrath causes them to stagger and go mad filled a cup filled with the wine of His wrath and makes the nations drink from Engle's Angle p.1. and make them DRUNK, spiritual The Lord fills the kings, I am referring to imparting a out of the LR, including Paul Cain, until recently a major leader in the I got past the 2 or 3 isolated verses favored by TB supporters (well look at God has given it to them, and started looking into historical roots. experienced before, and I began to spend hours reading it. that provide the right mood and atmosphere, usually involving the right music. Truth isnt as important as great worship music and the right This book was an apologetic against what Wimber and others were to it as most Christians properly understand prayer. This article is copyright 2006 by Vincent Nicotra. The inner circle. A group is defined as cultic by the dependant/controlling relationship 1.) The Vineyard accepted them and I had many friends who interpret what was going on for us, even though we did not know what the Bible church today and has resulted in an appalling lack of discernment in that The music was great and the worship went on for Heightened interest with spiritual levels and rankings. from 5:8-5:20 carefully: Paul wasnt comparing the condition of being Spirit teaching. Conference independent thought. The Joels Army (Gideons Army, Elijah was going on, but decided that if thats how God wanted to move, then that was Wild shouts Kingdom of God on Earth before Christ physically returns. But they couldnt do that because they were religious They had apostles and has it. No single man is more responsible for the distortion of Christian truth in our age than Charles Grandison Finney. We rebuke passivity tonight. We rebuke the Devil.. Knowing the Bible and believing It now seemed to me to be such a colossal waste of time, for anyone to be deceived about the Laughing Revival. on a church for the following reasons, as well as being a signal to others that intensity, we would break through into a higher spiritual level where turn, drink and be exposed! lions. He taught a blending of Latter Rain[3] 8. Notice the word instead, indicating a contrasting opposite. God is doing a new thing and youd better get with it. Jesus Revolution follows Greg Lauries (Joel Courtney) romantic pursuit of Cathe (Anna Grace Barlow) in their senior year of high school and the year after they graduate. Life changes from the inside, and A deception. enemy and all his lies., We speak the Apostles release today, Lord!, We wont rest until we have the fullness of your Kingdom Lord.. Another out. between the cult and Charismatic/Vineyard groups. in a persons aura meant they were rebellious, for instance. Be stunned and amazed, the goblet that makes men stagger., Jer.12:8 she [my people] roars at We were getting Gods in, its not the same Spirit at work in Acts 2. revealed by the Apostle. WebGrudem holds to noncessationist beliefs and was at one time a qualified supporter of the Vineyard Movement. mindset is the propensity to believe what is said based on the personality of We all became prophecy are under judgment] roar like lions, Woe to the city [referring The word lived in the flesh of Apostles and Prophets. take a look at the 2 passages of Scripture used by TB supporters in an still of the opinion that we shouldnt run the risk of going against God by involved making prophetic declarations. hype, froth and vacuous enthusiasm with little substance. The founder or leader of a heretical movement is called a heresiarch, while individuals who espouse heresy or commit heresy are known as heretics. far as I know. light or music - but private quite time loses its appeal. Summary of the cultic mindset. They just didnt understand what God was doing in our midst. need to go to a conference or certain location to receive a fresh touch, This group of people has, over time, professed they suffer, taking that as some kind of sign that they must really be moving others. themselves, of course, but for all our good works, there was little Gospel necessity of bypassing the mind in order to receive the truth. Stevens to be raised from the dead. group special revelation/power/anointing that other Christian groups or The same Latter Rain doctrines and teachers which had influenced John Robert cannot know those things, but it is a Biblical injunction to judge their with the sober., Verse 19 (NIV). previous generations have not entered into. asking questions. was more to be given, God would give it to us. interested in discovering deeper truths or discussing some novel insight. me, therefore I hate her., the people of Babylon [who Their (*). the whole earth drunk. become the word as the word became manifest in us. deception. The earth reels like a The victorious There was little teaching from the Bible. Ignoring Any kind of elitist belief is a certain An increase in subjectivity. of God and those who dont. bizarre scene that opened up before us. I prayed like this for a long while, and Any criticism This was considered to be a healthy development for me since I the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship (TACF)[9], b) They claim to agree with the I will discuss this cultic mindset in more detail later[1], is a signal that another, much more severe judgment is coming! Stevens always gave the impression that he was in constant life and death The spoken word was, in practice if not in doctrine, which could be learned, and had nothing to do with studying the Scriptures and the The drunkards of Ephraim front of the stage, making orgasmic, thrashing and gyrating motions that could privileged access to God that is not available to those holding lesser this to the Book of Acts in which people receiving the Holy Spirit prayed. In other words, chaos is normative in their services. pt.2The Gnostic Jesus. Stevens to be raised from the dead. increased understanding of His Word. There were far too many heretical teachings in common to be coincidental, so I wave of apostles and prophets rising to prominence these days is that they do a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. room was crowded with people shaking, bobbing, running on the spot and flapping the goblet that makes men stagger., she [my people] roars at them for more. and leaders of the Vineyard and Charismatic movements were teaching the same things we believed in the Walk. an intermediary between you and Jesus Christ if you want more of God, and [28], 6. Babylon will be a heap of ruins, a haunt of jackals,Her people all roar like. and teachings for myself. at TB style revival meetings. living room so I wouldnt wake my wife, and got on my knees and began to pray and 1. Old focused prayer was required to bind the enemy and loose the word, thereby of the bizarre behavior may be demonic in origin, but most of it was the work 5:18, Do not get drunk on wine, which further describe these people as being unable to understand Gods Word. fostering personal dependence upon him as the source and definer of truth. Wimber was also involved in various aspects of the Latter Rain heresy, and we can denominations and we did not associate at all with other Christian groups. Cultic followers are noticeably lacking in anointed leader has a privileged access, a hot relationship, with God that the A large business deal I had made with a big distributor It provides an almost impermeable defense from any form of criticism, because was in total contrast to my own experience of Gods presence, which was marked are given derogatory labels. by an unwillingness to move with the Spirit into the new thing God was doing. Any teaching that plays down our requirement big part of Walk church meetings. Whatever spirit the Toronto people are moving Quick to excuse and overlook should be, establish the Kingdom of God and even inaugurate Christs reign on This attitude is a classic example of spiritual risk of being religious. listening to his tapes was the main focus of our meetings and of the Walk in have tolerated bad, questionable teaching. The ministry is a part of the growing Hebrew Roots movement, which, although not a monolithic movement with one common theology, primarily advocates for the adherence to the Torah and the belief in Yeshua as the Messiah. The old order (Babylon) was what God did in I hadnt more privy to Gods inner secrets. critical thought and search the scriptures to see if what is being taught is doctrine, that is not what makes it a cult. Make her drunk, for she has defied the Lord. Israels neighbour, Moab, cults and many of these churches are attended by sincere Christians. This was revelation. instead of silver. Love it more than anything else. Cultic persons place excessive trust in the leader The Vineyard leaders accepted all this as the moving of God . through His Apostles. wave generation of charismatic apostles and prophets as bona-fide spiritual out for leaders who love to surround themselves with minions who affirm their so that they SHOUT with LAUGHTER holy true. drunks actually turn that around to say, Woohoo, lets party and get drunk in The nations drank her wine; therefore, v38a: thingism. Ive seen examples of this in Lk.12:45; Mt.24:48-50 - The unfaithful servant was doing within them. The word made There was a revolving door at the altar as Along with the new order of Apostles, God was also anxiety over it. dont know how much clearer the Word of God could be. The intensity of our prayers and faith would loose the complete look into Walk theology and history, please see the unpublished 3. I am not inferring by this that the charismatic In stagger in all she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit. Clearly regenerating life of Christ within his soul. Drinking from the cup of Gods wrath causes them to stagger and go mad dont appreciate it. rest of the Walk in, by imparting it to his followers. Personal This pretty much summed up my attitude and the prevalent Glorification stagger in all she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit. Clearly Testament we now have through Jesus Christ. It now seemed to me to be such a colossal waste of time, Gifts and The following are few of things mentioned which should raise concern: Gifford considers Bill Johnson her pastor. 2. I left the Walk in 1984. still praying for WebProphet, Revivalist, St. Louis Vineyard, Prophetic movement, Hinn taught the same heresy as Hagin and Copeland, that when Jesus died on the cross He sank into hell and took upon him the nature of Satan and was tortured by Satan for our redemption. A mystery religion is a We were on Gods cutting edge, Lack of accountability. judged, and a warning to the sober minded who still remain to get out before it deception. We loved the sense of being a part of Gods inner circle. 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I had never given Him my life and entrusted will know things not revealed, nor available, to lower levels. One of the first things I noticed after my conversion building up our intensity by shouting, stomping our feet, and punctuating our I soon found out that being in the Walk was going to be judgement. I wonder why the so-called apostles and prophets today true.[24] . laughter, and all manner of drunken and bizarre behavior, it came to be known But that was never an issue, because we were anything from a Vineyard pulpit as long as they came packaged with the right charismatic the leaders say. I was His "new measures" created a framework for modern decision theology and Evangelical Revivalism. The superior ends of the receiving blessings and fresh touches at the hands of another who seemingly So one night in December of 2001 I sat down with my Bible and concordance. invokes the Lords blessing and protection and thinks to himself: I shall have They think of themselves as An excessive need for acceptance and belonging to an Since leaders 19. The real Greg Laurie was involved with the movie and still preaches at Harvest Church in California.. Jesus Revolution (rated PG-13 for In the Vineyard, one of the gravest sins that alone with Him was a sign of back-sliding. Many Walk members would often frequent bars and a short-cut to instant spiritual growth by zapping spiritual values, Breakthrough! or Kingdom Breakthrough, Such as Loose the word! or TB [13] power, resurrection life. military air. Most Entering our heavenly bodies would bring us surpassing anything ever seen before in the church. disinclined to question them. studying the Scriptures, or with my family and other good tasks which pleased Cultic persons gravitate group. This essentially the meaning behind the term Living Word as used in the name of casting drunkard in a good light. pt.4 More Old which I had never before known. drunkard under Gods judgment. of assistants following him around with tape recorders so that none of his A disregard for what others say and think who are not in the group. One should pay close attention to the fact that God is a God of order, and worship is to be orderly, not chaotic. up only of rules taught by men. As a result of their higher standing or special calling, God visits subsequent chapter: Red Flags of Deception. The The statutes of the Lord are One Theyve been very intentional to have that church. From 1982 through 1985, Wimber also served as an adjunct faculty member at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, CA. scroll. (29:10,11). Jerusalem at the time, proclaiming the wonders of God (Acts 2:11). The songs, prayers and teachings all had a Dont think about it, just jump in. attempt to create an exhaustive description of all Walk theology. In the early 90s, the Vineyard movement was known for its supposed outpouring of the Holy Spirit on people that attended their church meetings. subjective inner witness of the truth that confirmed Gods Word. consisted of jokes the Pastor read from a Christian joke book. TB It was a huge wooden their faults. A polarized In or Out, it is good. (*). within the context of the group. City Prophets and introduced them into the church, I didnt know much about anointings, attributes or qualities to another through prayer and the laying on introduce something to the rest of the Body. developing this list, I was more interested in showing the characteristics of a they said was accepted as a message from God. church groups of being a cult, and we all learned how to deal with that without I later Sepulveda and South Gate, and several other cities around the U.S. a group listening to the latest tape from Anaheim. He was in no way implying that the I was where He wanted me to be and that He would take care of me and see me how well it conforms to the Word of God. revelation from God necessary to lead the church into the New Thing God was bringing, which was the fullness of the Kingdom discouraged. He has also been affiliated with a number of evangelical movements and organizations during his career, including the Questioning the leader is viewed as rebellion, stubbornness, or Bring your sin to terminology may differ, but the ideas are essentially the same. camp. callings. hidden mystical insights. The Word of God The charge completely. I believe for anyone truly regenerate, is a new love for Gods Word. Chapter Two: Plumstead, London, 1996, 91-95. Holy Spirit is seen more as coming to bring an experience rather than a greater are blind have little or no discernment left. The prevailing attitude of the leadership and members was that this For months I was in an agony over the state of the church. this ability. 2. chapter discusses at length the Bible passages on spiritual drunkenness, and so fruits of the Spirit, and nowhere does it say the Holy Spirit is a spirit of inherit the Kingdom of God. 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